Chris Bjork is a Professor of Education at Vassar College. His research focuses on youth sports, educational reform, and international and comparative education
564: Is The Pressure of Youth Sports Too Much for Our Kids?
Chris Bjork
Are youth sports helping our kids thrive—or pushing them too hard?
In this episode of the Mindful Mama Podcast, Hunter talks with Chris Bjork about how youth sports are changing—and what that means for our kids.
Together, they explore the pressures kids face in competitive sports, what parents can do to protect their well-being, and how we can bring balance back into their lives.
What you’ll hear in this episode:
The emotional and physical toll of competitive sports on children
Why unstructured free play is just as important as organized sports
How parents can make mindful, informed choices about their child’s activities
The warning signs of burnout—and how to prevent it
Why kids benefit from exploring many activities before specializing in one sport
A new perspective on youth sports: focusing on joy, growth, and connection over pressure and competition
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Hunter (00:04)
You're listening to the Mindful Mama Podcast episode #564. Today we're talking about is the pressure of youth sports too much for our kids with Chris Bjork.
Welcome to the Mindful Mama podcast. Here it's about becoming a less irritable, more joyful parent. At Mindful Mama, we know that you cannot give what you do not have. And when you have calm and peace within, then you can give it to your children. I'm your host, Hunter Clarke-Fields. I help smart, thoughtful parents stay calm so they can have strong, connected relationships with their children. I've been practicing mindfulness for over 25 years. I'm the creator of the Mindful Parenting Course and Teacher Training. I'm the author of the international bestseller, “Raising Good Humans”, “Raising Good Humans Every Day”, and the “Raising Good Humans Guided Journal.
Are you driving your kids all over the place for sports? Maybe you're listening to this now while you're driving your kid or driving to get your kid from a practice or whatever. It's pretty likely. And if so, this is the perfect episode for you because I'm be talking to Chris Bjork, a professor of education at Vassar College. His research focuses on youth sports, educational reform and international comparative education. And he wrote a book about youth sports, “More Than Just a Game”. So we are going to dive into it. Are these sports helping our kids thrive or are they pushing them too hard? We will get into it.
Hi Chris, welcome to the mindful mama podcast.
Chris Bjork:
Alright, thanks for having me.
Hunter:
Well, I'm glad you're here to kind of give you some insight into where I'm coming from with this. This is, we're to be talking about kids and sports and things. I was very much personally of the mindset of like, want to, I kind of want to not actually get my kids super involved in organized sports until maybe they're older. They're, you know, I figure when they're five and six and seven and eight, I want them to just be having some free play and things like that. But now my daughter who is 15 is really into field hockey and I'm psyched that she's like in this team sport and getting all these like team sport benefits and things like that. And you, you know, you have researched team sports and the kind of the way it's changed and over the years in your book, more than just a game. And I was just wondering what inspired you to do this research and if there was some kind of personal moment that made you think that we really needed to talk about this.
Chris Bjork:
Sure. Well, I wrote the book “More Than a Game” with a colleague of mine, Bill Hoynes, and we decided to go on this journey after an informal conversation. And we shared that as parents, we felt like the current state of these sports was so different from what we had experienced as kids. And it's become so intense and profit driven and pressurized. And even though we felt like we had a good handle on the industry, we had trouble making good decisions for our kids because we had no experience to draw from. When we were kids, you played for the local little league or AYSO team or for your high school and that was kind of it, but things have changed so radically. now parents experience incredible pressure when the kids are still in elementary school to specialize, do whatever they can to give their kids competitive edges. And that isn't always in the interests of the kids themselves. And so we were motivated to do this project and write the book to give parents information that would help them make wise decisions for their kids.
Hunter (05:09)
And what sports were your kids doing?
Chris Bjork:
They were playing, they both played soccer and baseball and I actually coached one of my kids' soccer teams. And so you would think that I would have this depth of experience that would make me really secure when I had to make decisions for my own sons. But it's really hard also because you get so emotionally wrapped up in it and that makes it difficult to kind of step back and have a balanced perspective. We wrote the book with the intent of helping parents kind of gain that larger perspective and not get sucked in and just do whatever all their friends were doing.
Hunter:
Yeah, I mean, I imagine that emotional component of, you know, you're proud of your kid, you're excited for that, you're kind of living vicariously through them in some way. And also you don't want to hold them back, all of these things. But your book talks about how taxing the athletics can be developed, you know, developmentally for children. And, and I'm wondering, what are some of the ways, can we pull this out? Like are the, competitive sports actually hindering kids' growth?
Chris Bjork:
Right. I think for a lot of kids they are and that occurs on a couple of different levels. So one, if we look at the physical effects on kids, because young athletes are being pressured to specialize and play one sport all year round when they're still seven, eight, nine, 10 years old, that has implications for their bodies. They're not fully developed. And if you're playing a single sport, 11, 12 months in a year, that puts great stress on your bodies. also interviewed physical therapists and college coaches and they found that there's been a large increase in injuries to knees, shoulders, elbows, ankles, because young bodies aren't built to withstand those kinds of pressures. But I would also add there's implications for students' mental health, kids' mental health, that kids feel pressure now because their identities are so wrapped up in how they perform in a single sport that if they don't feel like they're living up to expectations, that can create stress and all sorts of psychological impact. also if they're specializing when they're eight or nine or 10, what happens if they no longer are interested in that sport? So, and you know very well that kids' interests change as they get older, but today a lot of kids feel this pressure to specialize and stick to a single sport.
When they're in elementary school and that make their whole identity gets caught up in that sport. So it's hard to step back, to let low, to maybe engage in that sport lesson intensively. And especially with young women that can have real serious consequences where they lose their sense of self if they're not performing at a high level in gymnastics or softball or basketball, whatever the sport may be.
Hunter:
Yeah, we were talking about it this morning and someone who works on the Mindful Mama Menntor Team was saying, “I was into figure skating and it was really intense”. And you know, you're saying that it can have these detrimental effects. what, how does it affect kids? If say you've done a sport very intensely and then you get injured out or age out or you're just not good enough at some young age, like 12 or 14 or something. How does that affect kids?
Chris Bjork:
Right. It can be devastating because I think when we were kids, we were engaged in many different activities. So we may, you or I may have played, I don't know, basketball for a couple of months and then swam for a couple of months and then been in a play. And so that reduced the pressure. If, if someone wasn't doing as well in any one activity, that all these different ways to show that they were accomplished or talented or just really interesting people. But now because they often specialize in one thing that if they're cut or if they get injured or whatnot, it causes them to question their own self-worth and that's not healthy for anyone. And we're especially seeing that when people get to the stages of high school where they're starting to develop from, you know, adolescence into adults. And when that grounding, that foundational part of their development gets yanked from under, then they can get really depressed.
Hunter:
Yeah. And I imagine there's this, you know, this, it's a huge time commitment, right? Like I know that people spend lots of time traveling and doing all these things and maybe practicing every day with pretty, pretty young kids. And how do you see these schedules affecting family life and also thinking about the idea of child's opportunity for downtime creativity and free play, these things that I was really trying to prioritize when my kids were little.
Chris Bjork:
Absolutely. And what we found also is that most parents sign their kids up to play sports with really good intentions. They want their children to get some exercise, to make friends, to kind of nowadays they're attracted to the idea that they aren't going to just sit in front of a computer all the time. And most importantly, to have fun. That's why most kids start playing sports. But what we found is that can shift really quickly now. So maybe for a year or two, the child will play in a recreational league or, you know, with neighborhood kids or, or informally, but now parents are under this pressure to do whatever they can to make their children exceptional. And that means oftentimes signing up for these competitive travel teams and they get sucked into that very quickly. And they think if they don't sign their kids up, for activities that practice seven, eight, nine, 10 hours a week, that their child is gonna be at a disadvantage. And as a result of that, the time commitment, the financial commitment escalates really quickly. There's a good chance that a nine-year-old will be playing volleyball four days a week, traveling to a different state, being pressured to go to summer camps, and then that affects the athlete, it also affects their whole family because parents have these, feel compelled to drive them to away tournaments, to invest a lot of money. mean, we met many parents who were struggling financially, but they would do whatever it could, they could to pay the fees for these teams and tournaments. And the other thing I'd mention is other kids in the family are affected because the parents become so obligated to spend so much time supporting that one child's athletic career that oftentimes other children in the family are neglected and feel like they aren't getting the attention from their parents. So it affects almost everyone. We talked to one parent who said, when you sign up a child for a travel team, you're signing the whole family up.
Hunter (12:38)
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I'm curious about, how do you gauge whether your kid is really loving this or enjoying this enough to justify that kind of stress and expense on the family? But also like the, I mean, for me, that piece about not having time for free play or not having downtime, I imagine that's also maybe setting them up for- we know that free play leads to creativity and that's how little kids work out their world. That's how kids process different things that have happened to them. Downtime is when creativity happens. That's when you get like the great big box and the, you know, all of those things. And I've seen, you know, how that creativity can lead to your creativity as an older person too. mean, so I'm just wondering about sort of the losses of these things as well.
Chris Bjork:
Right, right. And one of the messages that we really emphasize in the book is the importance of creating balance in kids' lives. When parents are making decisions about what team to sign up their child, to sign their child up for, what activity will work best for them to try and put together kind of a collection of activities, some that may challenge them physically, some that may challenge them artistically, others that will encourage them to collaborate with others and that it's really important to structure their extracurricular lives. So there is that balance that they are developing their bodies, their minds, their ability to interact with other kids. But that can get thrown out of whack when the child at age eight is playing baseball five days a week with no downtime. And then on top of that, there's so much stress early on to try and attract the attention of college coaches, to be better than others rather than to work in collaboration with their peers. And as a parent, it's really hard not to buy into that in today's environment where all the messages they're getting, where everything on Facebook suggests what matters is to show that you're better than everyone else and that your child is truly extraordinary. What's wrong with just being balanced and happy? I would argue for the latter. We kind of grounded our analysis in this book, all the arguments we're making in stories and reports that actual parents told us. So we wanted to hear from parents that are involved in this, what their experiences are. And one parent told us that the whole sports world today is very time consuming. The time commitment, the financial commitment is more than you expect and you have to be really prepared for that. And another told us that it may seem like a child is going to benefit from this more intense sports environment, but the pressure ratchets up very quickly and creates pressure on their kids. And so it's so important to create space where kids can and to talk to their kids about what they're doing so they can let the parent know that they want to scale back a little bit, or maybe they want to stop playing field hockey and be in a play instead or to do something else. And that maybe they'll come back to sports later, but to make that flexibility part of family life.
Hunter (18:13)
It's so interesting to me, because I think like I've thought about this when my girls were in swim team. We had a local swim team- I loved swim team because they learned how to swim really well, got them out of the house in the morning. Anyway, yeah, the swim team was great. I thought it was great. But then I would go to these meets and the meets were so long. And I'm thinking to myself, “adults have designed this. We have made this as long and painful for ourselves as we can and why did they do this?” I mean, adults design this, why did they make this as long and painful like five hour events, six hour events as they are? And I don't understand it. So I guess I'm just kind of wondering, you have kind of two questions here. You know, I'm thinking you're talking about the investment that families are making and their pressure to make all this investment. Maybe for some people like that, I mean, does this, does it pay off for some people? I don't know. Like is, when you're thinking about that investment, is it worth it? You're saying there's all these downsides, but also why did it, why has it evolved this way? Like, I don't understand. It doesn't seem like it's in the best interest of kids for it to be so competitive and so to be driving so far away and to have it cost so much money. I don't really understand why adults have designed it to make it this way.
Chris Bjork:
You're absolutely right. And this all started to change in the 1980s. So before that point, most kids were playing in local recreational leagues or at their schools or whatnot. But then due to cuts in programming for sports, a lot of families didn't have opportunities to do those kinds of things. And what happened was these private entrepreneurs stepped in and saw that this was a market that they could make a lot of money creating these opportunities for kids. And those sports entrepreneurs are the ones who created the travel teams, the private coaching, the specialized clinics, all of that. And as a result, it wasn't everyday parents that were making a lot of these decisions. was private groups that were trying to make money off sports and they marketed themselves very, very well.
They kind of planted the seed in parents that you needed to sign your kid up for as many different activities as possible, or you weren't a good parent. And this was all tied into this shift towards intensive parenting that we can see in all aspects of life. So for example, since the 1980s, there's been a tremendous growth in chances to sign up for private coaches to help your kid learn to do well on the balance beam, but also, almost anything they want to do. For example, we found out that there are private spelling bee coaches who charge upwards of $300 so that kids can compete at the national level in the spelling bee. So part of it is these groups and individuals that are trying to make money, but part of it is also that parents are having trouble making decisions that ignore maybe what they really want for their children long-term. So I'd just like to read a short excerpt of an interview I conducted with some parents. Sure. So a father we interviewed said, I think there's a problem and we're all part of the problem. We're all paying the fees and driving kids to these tournaments and worrying about winning games. We all have the right intentions, but we don't always follow through on them. And what was really interesting is the wife followed up with, “Disagree”. I don't think we all have the best intentions. think a lot of parents want their kids to become professional athletes. It's disgusting. When I see what my kid is going through, it makes me worry. So there's this loss of the agency that parents can't make decisions independent of these outside pressures of this intensive parenting trend. And also a lot of times kids' voices are lost. So one thing that we really encourage parents to think about is what kind of communication are they having with their kids and are they checking in with them and asking them how they're enjoying a particular sport. If they need a break, if they want to try something else and letting them know if you want to reset, that's totally fine. We'll support you whether you're on the All-Star team or whether you decide that you wanted to be in Model UN.
Hunter:
Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting though, because I guess I can see that you want to, you know, as a parent, you don't want to encourage your kid to quit, right? You want them to see it out, et cetera. I remember feeling that tension when one daughter didn't want to do swim team and I was like, well, I don't want to encourage her to quit. You know, we don't want our kids to be quitters, right? That’s the worst thing you could possibly be in American culture is to be a quitter, right? Because we're in a culture of working hard. Yeah. At the same time, we do want to balance that with trusting them, having them have awareness of their own bodies and their, their own lives and whether they feel too much pressure or too much time in their schedule and things like that. I don't know. How do we navigate that?
Chris Bjork:
Well, I think part of it is, as I mentioned, just establishing open communication lines and constantly asking them how they're feeling about what they're doing. Another thing is to keep in mind what you ultimately hope your child is going to get out of playing these sports. So we interviewed hundreds of parents and what we heard again and again was that what they really valued was the life lessons that their children get out of sports: persistence, commitment, the ability to work with others, all those kinds of things. And not to lose sight of the fact that you can, the kid might develop those skills, probably will develop them, regardless of the specific team they're on. They don't have to be at that most competitive level to learn persistence. And that sometimes it's in the kid's best interest not to aim for a college scholarship when that may not be what they even want. And on top of that, the reality is that between 1-2 % of all kids who play high school sports end up getting a college scholarship, 1-2%. But what's happened is because of this huge expansion of the travel team industry, there are millions more kids that are playing for a travel team. And a lot of times their parents think if my kid is on the travel team, that they have a good shot at playing for the UNAM- University of Michigan or getting a scholarship to UCLA, but that reality doesn't match what is likely to happen with their kid. so it's really important to stay focused on those life lessons and how the kids are developing as people and not necessarily where they rank on the hierarchy of athletes.
Hunter:
Yeah, I guess, you you want to say like, is my kid super motivated to do this? Is this, is this, is the child driving this or something else driving this? You know, and you, you answered that question. Does it pay off 1-2 % maybe get these, get these scholarships to, to go on and yeah. And the kids are, yeah, where are they in this conversation? I guess that was another question: are there other levels that they can be involved in? Can they drop back? And then how do parents communicate that, you know, when everybody, when all the other families around them are doing this travel team and maybe this, you know, this kid's in soccer and everybody else is going to aim for the travel team. How do you say no to that when there's that pressure for everybody else to be doing it? And how do you have that conversation with your child?
Chris Bjork (26:54)
That's a great question. And I'm glad you asked it because we are not, you know, Bill Hoynes, my co-writer and I are not anti travel team. We're not against the idea that a child who's really motivated to specialize in a sport should do that. But we are against the idea that you need to do that when your child is really young to get a competitive advantage to help them become the best athlete that they can. We are just arguing that try and delay that specialization until they're physically ready to, you know, play a sport year round and also mentally prepared to commit to a sport. Because if you push them into doing that or even accepting that when they're too young, they're likely to burn out physically or mentally. And as I said, when my kids were young,
I kind of bought into that. I thought if I don't get them to play this sport intensively early, they're going to lose out. But what I've learned through this research is that if you're talented enough to get a college athletic scholarship, you're likely to stand out whether you start playing that sport when you're eight or whether you're 12. And there's no rush, you know, you're a kid is not going to lose out on future opportunities if they wait to specialize. But we're just saying hold off until they're ready for that. And then maybe for some kids, it makes sense to join a team that plays their sport against teams in other states and regions. But for a lot of kids, it will make more sense to just play for the local Babe Ruth team or to play on their height or to swim on their high school swim team. And they're likely to get a lot out of it even if they're not the state champion. I mean, how many kids are going to be state champion in the 100 butterfly? Not very many, but a lot of kids can be on the swim team and get a lot out of it, even if they're the third best butterfly swimmer on their team.
Hunter (29:07)
Stay tuned for more Mindful Mama podcasts right after this break.
Yeah, all those lessons of teamwork and perseverance and all those things. Now, thinking about this idea of delaying, you know, for your child's physical development, mental development to be well-rounded. You know, I read Kim Payne's book, Simplicity Parenting, and he talks about the idea that when younger kids are, when kids are younger, what they're needing in a lot of ways is that free play, right? Many people describe this free play being the work of childhood. And then, and then in simplicity of parenting, you talk about, yeah, like when kids are in adolescence, their brains get a little more chaotic and this is when they need that structure, right? When they get to these older ages, is there an age that you guys discovered that is a good time for entering structured sports that you may want to give your kids some more free time maybe until this age?
Chris Bjork:
Well, it's interesting because as I mentioned, things shifted radically in the 1980s and have escalated since then. Prior to that time, most kids connected with sports in the way that you mentioned, playing, you know, casual sports on their street with other kids in the neighborhood or playing through their school. But now a lot of those opportunities have disappeared as funding has been cut, but they're still out there. But we recommend that parents encourage their kids to sample. It's called sports sampling, as many different sports as they can until they're in middle school. And that's usually when their bodies have developed and it's also when they will have a clearer sense of what they're really motivated to do, whether it's sports, whether it's ballet, whether it's playing the trombone. And at that point, it probably makes sense for a lot of kids to specialize. But no need to do that before then. If you're thinking about Michael Jordan- famous story, Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team until he was a sophomore and he seemed to do pretty well.
Hunter (33:27)
Yeah, he did all right. He just, he did okay. Yeah. Okay. So for families who are maybe listening and are already deep into this competitive sports world, what are some early warning signs that things might be tipping into an unhealthy territory that they may want to watch out for?
Chris Bjork:
So I would say there are physical signs and there are mental signs for them to look out for. The first thing is to notice if they're experiencing any stress on parts of their body. So if they're playing baseball and their arms are getting sore, if they're soccer players and they're having aches in their knees, any of those kinds of physical injuries that might stem from relying on certain muscle groups because they're playing a single sport all the time. That's when it's time to go see a pediatrician to have them looked at. And a pediatrician is a great resource also in terms of getting conversations starting with your kids where it may take the pressure off you as a parent when there's someone else in the room that has a lot of experience that can talk about why it may not be the best thing to play one sport so intensively.
So the physical is one side of it and the other is the mental. So I think as long as kids really want to go to practice, they talk enthusiastically about their games or whatnot, then they're probably in the right place. And as I mentioned, for some kids it makes sense to specialize. Some kids just really want to focus on gymnastics or whatever it will be. But if you see your child making up excuses that they don't want to go to practice or they talk about missing birthday parties, things like that. Or if they just seem fatigued physically or mentally, then that's a great time to step back and rethink. some pediatricians who have studied this topic have mentioned that even kids who specialize should probably take off one or two months a year just so their bodies and minds can recover. And they'll be kind of energized and ready to go again. But unfortunately for a lot of kids today, sports is 12 months a year, seven days a week, and they don't have those breaks.
Hunter:
Okay, and then for parents who want to have their kids enjoy sports without burning out, what practical steps right now can they do to keep joy and play and having fun at the center of this whole thing?
Chris Bjork:
I would say not to lose sight of the fact that there are lots of options out there that a child can be really successful and happy playing on the little team. They don't have to be on the team that travels across the country and they're, and they'll derive a lot of satisfaction and learn a lot through that. And then the other thing I would say is, as I mentioned, to talk to them as much as possible. And finally, to put a little time and effort when they're making these decisions. So again, when I think of what I did as a parent, I just kind of followed the herd and what my kids' friends were doing, I figured that was what my kids should be doing. And sometimes that worked out and sometimes it didn't. But what we learned from parents, and I would add college coaches, was that parents have options, they just may not be aware of them. So they don't have to sign up for the team that's closest to their town. And it's really a great idea to go and observe teams practices, see how the coaches are treating the players, talk to the coaches if possible, ask what their goals are, get a sense of the obligations because it's really hard to get information about how much it's going to cost to play for a team these days, how many months a year they're going to play, all of that. And you have to invest a little time and effort in it, but it's worth that effort. And ultimately, will help you make the decision that's going to help your kids. So maybe your daughter will do better playing for the basketball team two towns down than it is the one that's nearby that may be too intense?
Hunter:
That's a good idea. I've seen that even in my daughter starting high school sports and starting these team sports in high school: you sign up and then you learn about it all afterwards. So what a good idea. Like let's, let's find out what's going on ahead of time. This makes a lot of sense.
Chris Bjork:
\I would add that we came across some remarkable, some really inspiring coaches who really built up the self-esteem of their players and also maintained high standards that competed at high levels. We talked to coaches who were really happy when the soccer players on their team also, you know, they would take a couple of months off and run for the track team because they said, well, A, that helped them develop different muscles that actually were really valuable when they played soccer. But more importantly, one coach in particular told us that when a girl on her team stopped for a month or so or missed a couple of games to run track, they came back to soccer with this renewed enthusiasm and they were so happy to be there. And so there are coaches like that. We came across a lot of them. You just got to find them.
Hunter:
All right, and for parents wanting to navigate this and wanting to be a good supportive parent, yet maybe putting on the brakes a little bit if they're seeing too much pressure in their community, any final words of advice for these parents to be able to make choices that are best for their family?
Chris Bjork:
I think it all goes back to this idea of balance, of trying to find ways to structure your child's life so that they are engaged in all sorts of activities, whether they're sports or arts related or academic, and letting your kid know that you value the choices they make and you're gonna support them regardless of what they do, and to help them find ways to engage their minds and bodies that aren't tied to just one single activity.
Hunter:
What I'm hearing you say with that is that it's like a little bit of detachment is needed here. A little bit of, “this isn't you, this isn't your life, this is your kid's life. Let this be more their choice. This is not you, this is not your problem, this is not your life”, right? To step away a little.
Chris Bjork:
That's exactly what I was about to say. that is to, yeah, to try and separate yourself from your child's success. That it's really easy to let your own needs get projected onto your child. And so you want your child to kind of do the things you can do as a kid. Your ego is wrapped into their success and that's not good for everyone. It's really important to kind of step back and think what you want may not be what your child wants. And on top of that, to celebrate them, whether they score the winning goal or whether they try their best and end up losing, it doesn't reflect on you as a parent. You can be a wonderful parent regardless of how your kid ranks on the athletic hierarchy.
Hunter (41:28)
I love that. Those are, I think, great words to close it. Chris Bjork, and I'm sorry, I don't have your co-author's name written down. Bill Hoynes' book is “More Than Just a Game”. I recommend it if you're in this world struggling, it's out now. Thank you, Chris, for taking the time from your schedule to talk to us and to share this. I can't believe we've never talked about this on the podcast before and I think it's such an important issue. I really, really appreciate it.
Chris Bjork:
Thank you and thank you for shining the light on this topic because I think it's so important and I really hope the parents can get the information that they need to make good choices for their families and for their kids.
Hunter (42:19)
Hey, I hope you enjoyed this episode. I would love to know what you think. Do you agree? Do you disagree? Are you gonna make some changes? Are you gonna make some different choices? What's happening? Let me know. I'm @MindfulMamaMentor on all the socials. I think it's good we had this episode. I think it's good, but do you think it's good? So maybe you should let me know, because you're the listener, right?
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